C-Section Date Selection: Why It’s Not So Easy

Posted On Last updated May 16, 2020 | Published on Mar 23, 2018

I think we all agree that one of the big blessings in life is to have a good child that grows up well. If you’ve been following my blog and seeing how I’ve been describing people with bad bazi charts, I’m sure you’ll be worried that your child ends up in that category.

I’ve been receiving an increasing amount of c-section date selection cases recently, so I thought I’d write a bit more on it to let everyone have an understanding of what goes on in the minds of practitioners when they choose a date. Just a note: But you don’t call someone who picks auspicious dates a feng shui master because getting a good date isn’t really a matter of feng shui. What you’re truly relying on is still BaZi or Zi Wei Dou Shu.

If you’ve not already read a very old entry on whether c-section dates affects someone’s BaZi and fortune, do make sure you do so to get some context. There’s a reason why a c-section date selection has a premium fee – because picking one really isn’t an easy process and it requires a lot of time and focus. It’s one of those services where the BaZi consultant has to fully leverage on his or her knowledge and experience. An auspicious date for c-section isn’t something that a practitioner can just flip through a book or almanac to get.

C-Section Dates Are Counted As Your Real BaZi Chart

Yes, the c-section date counts as your actual BaZi. A lot of people feel that because a c-section date is somewhat of a manipulation, the real BaZi chart of the baby is actually unknown. I’d like to reassure everyone that this is not the case because I’m a c-section baby myself, and my life has played out exactly the way my BaZi chart says it would. The BaZi chart of someone is set when he or she takes the first breath upon birth and the laws of nature are set in motion.

That said, I don’t want everyone to think that one’s BaZi is something you can absolutely manipulate. As much as I am an advocate of transcending your chart, some things, in my opinion, are still fated – the family we are born into, the foundation that we have I guess you could say what kind of children we might eventually have too. If one’s BaZi indicates some challenges coming from children, it’s unlikely one would be able to get a good c-section date despite getting a consultation for a date.

Many Factors Need To Be In Place To Get An Auspicious C-Section Date

Getting an auspicious c-section date is not as simple as just paying a practitioner and expecting your child to have a superb BaZi chart. Let me explain why:

  1. The baby may be delivered earlier than expected and not according to schedule. This is an externality that you cannot control. On top of that, timings during the ungodly hours of 12 am to 6 am may be out of the picture despite them holding some good chart combinations, so we’re left with only a few choices in the end.
  2. The doctor might not be available during the dates and times given, especially when some of these dates are during the wee hours of the morning. Not every doctor is willing to accommodate.
  3. You have to have the affinity to meet a practitioner who can actually help select a proper birth date for you. BaZi proficiency is a must and this person has to absolutely know what he or she is doing. Have I met cases where a wrong date was selected by another practitioner? Of course, I have. As a client, and to be extremely blunt about it, you have absolutely no way of assessing how good a practitioner is other than by his or her reputation or popularity. At the end of the day, it depends on your affinity with a legitimate practitioner and what fate has in store for you.

The above conditions are just two out of the many factors that have to meet before we can say for certain that the baby was delivered at the right time and has a good BaZi chart, and for all these factors to be in one’s favour it not easy. There are just way too many variables you need to consider. The logic is the same as the house you end up in being fated. Studying metaphysics and having access to a practitioner doesn’t mean you get to game life however you want.

I just wish to take this opportunity to remind everyone that BaZi and/or Zi Wei Dou Shu isn’t everything. It’s meant to be transcended. If your chart has indications of something that’s weaker in your life, you can still change it, but it’s not going to be easy. Exactly how you can do it is not something that anyone can teach you. Yes, your chart may indicate problems coming from children, but there are still things you can do to change things. Call it karma or what not, but I’d like to believe Heavens will bless good people with a good child.

Other Kinds Of Complications When Selecting An Auspicious C-Section Date

Anyway, back to the topic of discussion. There are other rarer kinds of complications when choosing a c-section date, such as the expectant mother bearing twins of different genders (monozygotic twins). We have to take into account the male and female twin will have their 10-Year Elemental Phases (大运) will travel in opposite directions, so the date picked must benefit both children and not just one of them. Yes, the direction of one’s 10-Year Elemental Phases are different from male and female, and on top of that, you cannot simply pick a birth date without looking at the phases the chart-holder will go through. I had a case like that where the mother was expecting monozygotic twins recently and it was the most headache-inducing case ever. The funny thing was that the mother delivered early outside of the date range she gave me for selection and thank goodness it was a good BaZi chart as well.

Just a snippet of what typically goes on with clients with special cases which require a bit more communication:

Disclaimer: Do read this paragraph in a casual and cheeky tone. I don’t always sound this friendly especially when I get busy and everyone’s trying to text me. This client just happened to be my age so conversations were casual. Trust me, and I’m very open about this, I do ‘scold’ people, but only those are are toxic. I know it’s weird that I’m taking fees and I’m scolding my clients, but really, you have to be in my shoes to understand. I don’t want to put up a front – it’s tiring and my goal is make sure people benefit from the consultation and walk away with something valuable. I’m really not in this to entertain and there is nothing entertaining about this field in my opinion although some practitioners try to frame it that way for reasons I can’t comprehend.

You Will Not Always Get The Auspicious C-Section Date You Selected

I’ve had a few cases where even though a date was selected for my clients, some complications did happen and the baby was not delivered on the selected date and time. I did notice that this usually happens to clients whose BaZi charts are a bit to the weaker side and their charts indicate issues coming from children, and they were harbouring hopes of getting a good date for their newborn.

You could say that the couple just wasn’t fated to have a child with a good BaZi chart. This is not something a practitioner can alter because that’s fate. Regardless, whether or not you still wish to engage a practitioner for something that is not guaranteed is up to you. I’ve always advocated that one’s BaZi chart isn’t everything, and the whole point is to transcend it, so again, I wouldn’t say couple’s with weaker charts will never get a child with a good BaZi chart and I believe Heavens will step in when appropriate.

What’s The Point Of Engaging A BaZi Consultant If Everything Is Fated?

I know this is what’s on everyone’s minds. This is where things become a bit of a paradox. The simplest way I can put it is that it’s up to Heavens to decide if a practitioner is part of the equation and process. I’m not saying this because I am indirectly hinting that everyone should engage me, but rather, practitioners will know such things are an affinity, so sometimes there is really no point advertising our services because we know whoever’s fated to meet, will meet.

The clients who pick an auspicious date from me eventually go for BaZi consultations and eventually feng shui audits and I end up being their long-term consultant for other things and it becomes a very fulfilling long-term working relationship where I give my best for them. This is what I’m trying to say by “affinity”.

Case Studies On Auspicious C-Section Dates

My clients usually end up engaging me to read the chart of all the family members, so the insights and how everyone’s chart ties together is really, really interesting to me as a practitioner. Before I go on to the case studies, I have to say that getting a good BaZi chart is extremely rare. It really, really doesn’t come easy. Usually, clients would give a two-week range where the c-section procedure will happen, and there’s a chance where all 14 days aren’t so ideal, although practitioners still pick the best one. Fortunately for the below two case studies, there were some really good dates available.

The above chart belongs to a baby girl born earlier this year in but technically were were still in 2017 (丁酉年) in the eyes of BaZi (八字). I’ll just put down my comments on why this date was chosen in point form:

  • Overall, the date selected is when the Daymaster is most balanced compared to the other days. There’s a presence of a strong Direct Resource (正印) coming in to support the Yang Wood (甲木) Daymaster and Daymaster is rooted in 寅 Wood as well. When the natal chart itself is balanced, no matter what elements the chart-holder encounters during his or her Elemental Phases, the disruption will be minimized. There are cases studies in the Chinese classics pointing out the importance of this – I’ll try to find it and paste it here when I have the chance.
  • To take things up a notch, because this child is born during the season of winter, a bit of Fire is required which this chart definitely has. There’s a Yin Fire (丁火) appearing and also a 寅午 Fire combination appearing. The only issue is there Fire here is not as strong as we would like it compared to the presence of Metal and Water.
  • Fortunately, the Elemental Phases come in to mitigate this. This child will encounter Wood and Fire phases as she progresses, so it definitely suggests the child developing very well as an individual. When this happens, an auspicious structure we call 伤官配印 is formed.
  • Yang Wood people welcome Yang Metal in their charts which she encounters in her chart. I know most people would think encountering 七殺 (7-Killings) is a bad thing, but that’s not true. In some cases, 七殺 actually brings out the best in the chart. The term 偏官 is more suitable here actually. One thing I realized about BaZi courses outside is that a lot of them don’t go into detail how 七殺 is analyzed properly. Some people just mention the positives, whereas some just focus on the negatives.

Now, let’s make this more interesting by bringing in Zi Wei Dou Shu (紫微斗数):

I first shortlisted the date and time using BaZi before I generated the Zi Wei Dou Shu chart, and was delighted to see that both methods pointed towards the same conclusions. If you’ve read through some of my previous entries on Zi Wei Dou Shu, you may recall me mentioning the importance of having benefactors stars such as 左辅右弼,天魁天鉞,and also 化禄,化权 and 化科 (she meets all three which is fantastic). I crossed referenced the parent’s chart with the chart of the child, and true enough, the parents’ charts indicate that they will have a good chart. Of course, this chart isn’t perfect. Relationships may be more on the challenging side, so some intervention will be needed to make sure she ends up with the right partner.

The above chart was for a baby boy recently, just that in this case the client wasn’t able to get this selected date so we had to settle for a date that’s not as ideal in my opinion. This case was particularly challenging as the 2 week range presented didn’t present a lot of options and it presented me with a dilemma. If could have chosen a date where it suggests the chart-holder will be average his whole life, or have a tougher start to life but will start to thrive once he reached 30. In a lot of ways, his chart is a bit like mine in that he will be a late bloomer. Some comments on the above chart:

  • Most people might be distracted by the 七殺 appearing. Yang Earth sitting on 戌 is not as strong as we think actually. The risk here is that 七殺 gets strengthened by Fire, especially when he will be born in summer, but fortunately his Daymaster absorbed the 丁 Fire away to give an output of Wood, and Wood can control 七殺 here and form what we call 食神制殺。
  • His chart definitely requires more Water given that he’s born during summer, so that’s where the 子辰 Water combination comes into play, which is why 辰时 was picked as the birth time.
  • I have to say the only thing that I’m a little concerned about this chart is that it belongs to the late bloomer, so I’m praying the earlier years of this child won’t be so tough like mine was.

There’s a lot of pressure whenever I pick a c-section date for someone, because it feels as if the life of the child is in your hands. I’m not saying this because I’m superstitious or am trying to sell this service or something, just that I’ve seen enough case studies to know there’s some real impact there. The only thing I hope for is that I am the reason why the child has a good chart and it’s part of his or her plan. In any case, this post is to share with everyone picking a c-section date is not easy. It’s not just about flipping through a book or almanac and picking a date from there – it’s not done this way.

The Family Members’ BaZi Charts Will Always Paint A Cohesive Story

What most laypeople don’t realize is that the BaZi charts of family members will always paint the same story. This is the reason why I keep saying if one’s chart says they’re not fated to have a good child, it’s very unlikely to happen only for some mysterious reason, one’s chart is transcended. But the transcending of one’s chart is not up for the practitioner nor any human being to decide – it’s up to Heavens.

What this also means is that there is no point worry too much about whether or not your child will get a good BaZi chart through natural or mechanical means. What’s most important is that you, as a parent, are being the best version of yourself. Because if you don’t do well, your children will naturally follow suit. That’s just common sense.

There’s a lot of rigour and analysis behind this process and I think it’s important for people to understand it a little. Of course, there are methods or ‘hacks’ to make the process a bit more efficient. For example, if I know the child will be born during summer and the chart lies to the ‘dry’ side, I’ll already skip all Fire and Earth Daymaster charts. In most cases, both the Year Pillar and Month Pillar are out of your control, but a practitioner will definitely get an idea of what to look out for after taking these two Pillars into account, and the short listing can be done after that.

Just to put this upfront, I only provide this service to parents where c-section is already a medical necessity. I don’t encourage parents getting a c-section done for the sake of getting a good BaZi chart for the child. If you’re mean to have a chart with a good chart, you will get it no matter what. If it’s in your life’s plan entails you having to go to a practitioner to pick a date, you will naturally be pushed towards that direction as well.

– Sean

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Written by Sean Chan

Sean Chan is Asia's leading Chinese metaphysics consultant specializing in BaZi, Zi Wei Dou Shu, Qi Men Dun Jia, and Feng Shui. A thought-leader in the field, Sean's been featured on Channel NewsAsia, The New York Times Style Magazine and other local media. He blogs regularly about various topics surrounding Chinese metaphysics and aims to educate the public about the field.

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10 Comments

  1. Kim

    I’m pregnant with coming 7 months and I do research for selection date since I have to c section for my delivery. I do agreed your explanation about c section date selections, is when we are destined to what we will have it will happen if heaven want and heaven will blessed us good child if we have good karma. Thank you . you are definitely a great metaphysics consultant.

    • Sean Chan

      Hi Kim! Thank you for your kind word and congratulations in advance!

  2. Shan

    Hello Sean, I’m a new reader to your blog here 🙂 just wondering if you have ever blogged about the chances of people having children or fertility issues based on BaZi Chart reading? If yes I would like to know which entry is that and if no, I hope you would explore into this topic! Thank you!

    • Sean Chan

      Hey Shan!

      I’ve not blog much about this topic before. Tends to always slip my mind. I’ll definitely look into it and write something on it! Thanks for the feedback! =)

  3. Astrid

    Hi Sean, is ba Zhi or astrological weight more important? What if the dates given by looking at ba Zhi are not the most ideal astrological weight?

    • Sean Chan

      Hi Astrid,

      In my opinion BaZi is definitely more important. I personally don’t feel astrological weight (I guess you’re referring to 称骨算命) is a very reliable method and it appears rather primitive compared to the other advanced methods.

      I had a case recently where a client presented a list of dates for me to check and the one with the heaviest weight had the worst chart.

  4. Ang Yen Peng

    Hi Sean,

    I have been searching to understand the impact (to the new born) of giving birth on the day of solar eclipse but doesn’t seem to find much content from bazi point of view.

    I am wondering if you can share some light on this? if there is a choice, should one choose such a day to give birth?

    Thanks

    Yen

    • Sean Chan

      Hi Yen Peng,

      Chinese astrology doesn’t really take into account eclipses. I think other forms of astrology (Vedic or Western) may take this into account.

  5. raj

    is there a law in Singapore that says pregnant woman can choose a date for delivery of her baby in a c-section? what if the doctor denies this date?

    • Sean Chan

      Hi Raj,

      To my knowledge, there is no law preventing that. The bottom line is to follow the doctor’s orders so that the child can be delivered safe.

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